God Emperor Megathread (Trump and his presidency)

[CuckTurdginson]

Well, the key problem with her campaign with her campaign was it was more about running against Trump than for Harris. Since she has already lost, I will commit the same fallacy.

COVID-19 was a disaster for me, in and out of jobs constantly because every business in the country was running a shortfall despite government intervention. The fact that COVID-19 hit US shores was directly tied to Trump's ineptitude. Yes, Fauci got it horribly wrong, too ("never credit to malice what can easily be accredited to incompetence" is a good philosophy when dealing with politicians) - but Trump listened to him, and that wasn't supposed to be Herr Donald's thing. Had Trump ignored Fauci and closed travel from Europe, leading to COVID not being a US problem and our inherited economy of the late 2010's taking a minor drop rather than the *steep* one we ultimately faced, we would be looking at Orange Man's decision to ignore Fauci as a *major political winner*, uuge even.

Quarantining was a vicious experience, and the second I went back to work with any kind of confidence, I got the fucking Rona. And let's be clear, every single Governor with the exception of the *very* centrist ones who either attempted to compromise or were forced to can suck all the dicks I can think of. You either have Newsom imposing the most aggressive lockdowns he could possibly think of - solely to virtue signal - while going to his billionaire wine cave parties, or people like my Governor, who broke the unemployment system, and then went on TV to lie and say that the low numbers were because he put everyone back to work. I remember once having to file, and I tried to place a call that kept me on hold for seven hours. I'm not making that shit up. A disaster that should have been reduced substantially came to our shores, and 90% of our state governments fucked over the serfs exclusively to pad their own resumes.

And then the second we're done with this shit, the measures the state took, a plurality of which passed under Trump (although BIden is not innocent), led to record breaking inflation, causing consumer confidence to go through the floor, and expanding our small business struggles for several years after the end of the pandemic. I do not trust our incoming President to handle the next pandemic, lab leak or otherwise (I endorse the lab leak theory). I do not want to do that shit again.

[Kugelfisch]

One thing worth mentioning is that Trump did ban travel from China early on and it was struck down as unconstitutional. Because it's beloved China.

But you're right about Fauci. Trump should not have listened to that fucking queer that was directly involved in creating the mess.
I've said it back then as well. Trump falls way too easily for the exact shit he was elected to stand against.


@ Lindsay's Liver: I enjoy the libshit meltdowns a lot. I'm just not optimistic for how his second go will ultimately turn out and even less so for what comes after.
Especially since this time we've got hindsight.

[CuckTurdginson]

At the point he banned travel from China, Rona had spread to Europe, so the move would've been to ban travel from Europe, but the implication that he would've gotten cucked from judges is probably a valid one.

[Kugelfisch]

It's all moot anyway since the coof itself was gay-ass weak shit and it's rather the misguided measures to fight it that caused the real damage.

Fauci was obvious to be a stupid asshole that doesn't know anything. Him getting championed so much by soy-filled morons should've been the strongest clue that he needed to be told to shut up and sent into the desert right away.
Yet Trump monitored and let him do whatever, just like a proper cuckold!

[Lindsay's Liver]

You vote for (or against) what matters to you. While I agree that the pandemic was mishandled by everybody, I never got the disease. Neither did my wife. I know some people who got it, but I don' t know anyone who died. The last bad taste in my mouth related to the pandemic was Joe Biden trying to force me to take a vaccine that I didn't trust. Thankfully, the Supreme Court, which included three judges appointed by Trump, struck that down.

I voted this year for who I felt was the best candidate for free speech, the economy, handling foreign conflict, fixing immigration, and while we're at it, raising a middle finger to useless wokeness. I'm not expecting miracles, but my hopes are higher than they'd be if the Diversity Hire won. I'm happy with my vote, I'm happy with the results, and now we'll just have to see what happens.

[CuckTurdginson]

I had the coof four times, I did not enjoy the experience.

The move, and what I think the few good Governors during that shitstorm did - was to ensure damage to learning, the economy, and the actual death toll was kept as low as possible. That's what states like Iowa, Montana, Vermont, and maybe three to four others were able to do. Some guardrails to possibly reduce transmission as opposed to a full on lockdown would have seen more success.

Commiefornia took a huge economic hit, to have only a moderate decrease in deaths. Several southern states deregulated as much as they could, but their economies suffered all the same. There's one example I love, since I used to live there, and thought about moving back very briefly. The Governor of New Mexico locked down aggressively, too much undoubtedly, as the decrease in deaths did not justify the overcorrection, the learning loss was placed at about six months (or a full semester in Burgerland terms), and the crime rate in Albuquerque routinely tops the list of worst in the country these days. Whoops!

[Le Redditeur]

At the point he banned travel from China, Rona had spread to Europe, so the move would've been to ban travel from Europe, but the implication that he would've gotten cucked from judges is probably a valid one.

Covid would have spread everywhere, whether you close your borders or not. Respiratory diseases are just like that. The Spanish Flu of 1919 spread to the goddamn eskimos in the Arctic.

As a matter of fact, if people paid more attention to the history of the Spanish Flu pandemic instead of the social media fueled hysteria, they would have predicted with a certain degree of accuracy how Covid would have gone: three waves of infection, the second wave being the worst, and the third being the more infectious but less virulent. We actually got very lucky that Covid was such a hay fever infection when compared to the Spanish Flu, but the point stands: they tried lockdowns and closing borders in 1919 (after moving troops around all over Europe for one entire year, so yeah, a job well done). The only thing they didn't try was a rushed experimental vaccine, which didn't do anyone any favors.

These pandemics come and go and there's little we can do to contain them. Remember how we basically didn't have any cases of normal flu reported during Covid? Well, the influenza virus got knocked out of the market by Corona-chan, but the virus is still around and whenever resistance to it gets low again (because the next generation will have been exposed to corona almost exclusively), then it will cause another virulent outburst. It has been theorized that the Spanish Flu became so lethal among younger populations because a previous outbreak of flu had wiped out the influenza virus around the 1870s, so when the 1917 class was hit by it, they didn't have any previous contact and suffered widely.

TLDR: respiratory disease pandemics are impossible to contain and will happen from time to time. Fucking social media will make them worse to deal with, however. Orange Man punted the reaction to it like every other world leader at the time, no one got it right because of the mass hysteria caused by social media.

[CuckTurdginson]

There are similarities to the Spanish flu to be considered, absolutely. Some shit I could definitely read about.

Bush had established a task force to plan ahead in the event of another Spanish Flu type pandemic, which Trump then cut funding for around 2017. A really bad decision, I would argue strongly.

And no, I won't bury this thread in hyperbole over 'literally Hitler', but observing his first four years, I came away thinking Trump's influence on the economy was incredibly overrated, and given that the forecast for the economy of 2025 has been looking pretty rosy since summer, will almost certainly get overrated again. There is a strain of thinking among Republicans that their Presidents have a magic wand that makes the US economy better, and I can't imagine perceiving a gigantic beast like the Burgerland economy that simply.

I can't speculate too aggressively. Schedule F will go through, because Trump passed it last time. Trump won't get it done through Congress, the idea is too polarizing, so it'll be through executive order - meaning a Democrat could just undo it immediately in four years time. That will probably erode some guardrails, but believing he'll eliminate term limits is dumb for a few reasons, and its debatable as to whether he could bypass the Senate on *every single one* of his controversial cabinet appointments. The House ethics committee withholding their report on Gaetz's teenage girl fucking is already looking shady, and even Republicans think so. It's possible, and indeed even likely that Thomas and Alito both retire before the Midterms, but its doubtful Trump gets more than those five justices, and even five can be debated. Alito wants to retire, but Thomas could decide to continue.

What I'll agree with Lindsay's Liver on, is the country is bigger than any one asshole. From a Republican perspective, FDR could have declared himself king, but we got through that. We made it through Wilson (who I don't care for). From a Democratic perspective, we made it through Nixon, Iran/Contra, Cheney's disastrous forever wars. The country has survived cunty leaders and can do it again, but going back to Covid, another health crisis happening (esp if you endorse the idea about Democrats creating the coof, which I know some on here do) just as I'm getting my life together sounds like the most exhausting fucking thing I could possibly think of.

[Kugelfisch]

I haven't ever heard anyone, much less here, claim that the dems created the coof.
It was certainly something that was capitalised on. Never let a good crisis go to waste!

That goes for absolutely all governments. From small to large, from legislative to executive. A lot of pencil pushers and beat cop faggots got their fifteen minutes of power and they abused it as best they could.

Speaking of retarded conspiracy theories, Trump abolishing the term limit is way up there.
First, he can't. Second, he wouldn't if he could. He is old and the premise that he'd be in favour of unlimited terms - and it not being him that is the anointed one- is patently ridiculous.
As is the notion that he'd want to cling to the position after the next four years. Again, he's old. It's too stressful and tricking a third term out of some trickery it would be an even more stressful job in which he'd get nothing done.


He is a narcissistic blowhard. No argument. That's when I like him the best, actually. But he'll happily retire in 2028, if he makes it, to get those last few golf swings in and be a pain in the ass with dumb statements via his irrelevant truth platform.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

He can once he enacts his master plan of firing all the officials and replacing them with his loyal minions!