Get Woke, Go Broke Thread

[rabidtictac]

Reminder that "rendered at" isn't even accurate either. Like fuck can the Pissy 5 render anything internally at 4k. It can upscale, that's it.

I was going to say. It's not true 4k. It's some upscaled bullshit.

[Guest]

Well That just about killed any respect I could have had for Amy Henning. Who else is responsible for this?

I always thought the whole "Neil Cuckmann pushed Amy Henning out of Naughty Dog" narrative was just fan fiction /v/irgins told themselves because they didn't have the balls to admit they just didn't like his faggottry.

The Uncharted games were never that well-written, but their bad writing only became an issue among braindead fanboys when Cuckmann threw in a sassy negress who overpowers the male protagonist.

Then again, I've never played the Legacy of Kain series.

[Guest]

>Female protag uses magic spell Literally and Unironically called "fuck off"

I'd Like to get them to Fuck off!

[rabidtictac]

Well That just about killed any respect I could have had for Amy Henning. Who else is responsible for this?

Then again, I've never played the Legacy of Kain series.

It's good. It had almost no female characters whatsoever and the primary relationship is a gay bromance/slapfight between two vampires. Vampire 1 is mad because Vampire 2 ass-stabbed him with a cock and threw him into a pit of soul energy. Vampire 2 is smug about it and has a sekret master plan to defeat death or something. More than vampires normally do.

Then Tony Jay shows up and starts talking and the game becomes perfect for the duration of him reading his lines.

[Guest]

Hey, The Soul Reaver Stories Are great but Blood Omen Is really rad as well!

(Yes the Animation has somewhat Aged like milk but the Story is Still so Fucking good that I can overlook that)

But the thing with the LOK games is that While the stories themselves are Objectively some of the Greatest Stories I've Ever had the joy to witness (Except Blood omen 2 FUCK that game) The Actual games, as in the gameplay itself is a mix bag.
Gameplay wise the first game I would consider the best mainly Because it's Zelda link to the past but Vampires And Shakespeare.

Soul Reaver Games had a really fucking cool Idea with the Sifter between to different planes of the same environment but ultimately was very lackluster and wasn't as realized as it should had been.

the first Soul Reaver is a classic case of 'too Ambitious for it's own good!' Much of the game was cut, all leading to an infamous cliff-hanger (though I think we all agree that It truly was a blessing in disguise given the Satisfying direction the series went)

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

They already did a huge drop with the second one, where you were basically running back and forth along the same path, and they spend a lot of time expanding your combat options which was mostly rendered a waste because combat took too long and you were better off running past 95% of all encounters. There is literally no point of fighting anyone not tied to some looked door or magical barrier, especially since the AI loves turtling like a little bitch.

It became a meme that all the gaymes they showed off we're female black protags that warhammer 40k we all thought it was a black woman underneath the power armor.

That's be a Sigmarine, the Space Marine expys for Age of Sigmar. They actually do have females, and as far as I can tell they all have this annoying side shave haircut in varying levels of tumblr.

It's good. It had almost no female characters whatsoever and the primary relationship is a gay bromance/slapfight between two vampires.

The only actual female character important to the story has been dead before the first game has even started.

>Female protag uses magic spell Literally and Unironically called "fuck off"

They should've borrowed from the underrated tabletop classic Tunnels & Trolls. It has amazingly evocative spell names.
Like Take That, You Fiend!
Or the ever-popular Yassa Massa!

[rabidtictac]

But the thing with the LOK games is that While the stories themselves are Objectively some of the Greatest Stories I've Ever had the joy to witness (Except Blood omen 2 FUCK that game) The Actual games, as in the gameplay itself is a mix bag.
Gameplay wise the first game I would consider the best mainly Because it's Zelda link to the past but Vampires And Shakespeare.

Soul Reaver Games had a really fucking cool Idea with the Sifter between to different planes of the same environment but ultimately was very lackluster and wasn't as realized as it should had been.

the first Soul Reaver is a classic case of 'too Ambitious for it's own good!' Much of the game was cut, all leading to an infamous cliff-hanger (though I think we all agree that It truly was a blessing in disguise given the Satisfying direction the series went)

Legacy of Kain's gameplay was pretty good for reasons you said.

Blood Omen 2 was shit overall, even the story.

Soul Reaver 1 isn't a perfect game and its gameplay hasn't held up well (the story is still great,) but it's definitely about as good as it could have been for a ps1 era game. Most of the problems with the first soul reaver are down to limitations of the hardware. Combat being clunky, interacting with objects feeling slow and clumsy, short draw distances etc. Imagine if the transition between dimensions could have happened instantly, with a super fast animation. I have to assume it just wasn't possible because of the need for the hardware to load zones. Same with the fast travel system. Enemy models look chunky but it's not as if other ps1 games looked better. Soul Reaver is still one of the better looking 3d ps1 games.

And yes I know the game was also on Dreamcast. I'm sure that version is better, but ps1 was a much more successful system. My point is just that the limitations of hardware restricted the gameplay's ability to flourish. I think that the dev team probably always wanted the 3d gameplay of Legacy of Kain Defiance in all the games. But it wasn't until the ps2 and original xbox era (and after making several games on those consoles) that the team was able to finally make the gameplay acceptably fun and fluid.

Soul Reaver 2 is the one that feels most underwhelming considering the shift from ps1 to ps2 hardware. The story is great as always, but what did they even improve for the gameplay? Isn't this just Soul Reaver 1?

The saddest thing about Legacy of Kain as a franchise, however, is it can never be revived. I don't mean it's impossible for another game to be made. Oh, it certainly could be rebooted. But artistically, it's a dead franchise and can't be brought back. Why? Tony Jay is dead. And the more time passes, the more likely other key voices will die as well. You can't have a Legacy of Kain game without the acting/writing combo that makes them so exceptional. And I simply don't believe any modern game studio is capable of putting that together. A Kain reboot would end up as a mediocre hack and slash. It would probably play like this:



And have a mediocre story full of wokeisms and references.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

See it more positively: They will never ruin LoK with some gay-ass reboot.

And hang on a second: If Forsaken is isekaishit, is it possible that the protagonist of color is the only black person in the entire setting? That'd be the only reason why you would want to make this isekaishit (even if the reason is a bit stupid).
Either that, or they really like tabletop RPG campaigns where the players are never in character and always making Monty Python and other anachronistic references.

[Musical Space Cowboy]

See it more positively: They will never ruin LoK with some gay-ass reboot.

It almost happened with the cancelled Dead Sun.

[Kugelfisch]

Let's be clear: They can't ruin the originals with new, woke garbage.
They can only kill the financial viability of a franchise and you should never care about that.