Get Woke, Go Broke Thread

[rabidtictac]

Don't watch any of the other shit because it will make the first movie worse by association.

Figures that you hate the Ani-gaydicks you insufferable apechasing homosexual.

Most of that wasn't any good either.

Exactly.

What, am I going to say Animatrix was good because of two fucking shorts? No. It's still bad because not enough of it is good.

[Guest]

"The world wasn't quite ready." How fucking convenient! Wasn't The Matrix based on some French philosopher's book who ended up trashing the movie because the Wachowski troons completely misinterpreted his ideas?

The Matrix stole so many people's ideas. It really is a bunch of derivative slop

[Guest]

What, am I going to say Animatrix was good because of two fucking shorts?

You're too short.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

"The world wasn't quite ready." How fucking convenient! Wasn't The Matrix based on some French philosopher's book who ended up trashing the movie because the Wachowski troons completely misinterpreted his ideas?

Dunno which Frog you mean, but it's pretty much cyberpunk meets Gnosticism (aka the idea the the real world that we can perceive isn't actually the real one, and we're all being mislead by some cosmic prankster).
Also "Fans have speculated about potential meanings behind the iconic films" is one of the most stupid lines I've heard regarding this franchise. It's not that complex, just shoddily written.

If it's an allegory for trooning out, how come everyone has the exact same sex/gender-combination inside and outside the Matrix?

That was in the original script. It's why Switch is called Switch and has nothing to do in the final film.

Wowser, I gotta hit dem wikias!

Switch was originally meant to change genders upon entering the Matrix, which coined their name "Switch". In the real world, Switch would be male, and in the Matrix, Switch would be female - a very clever and critical point of the 'residual self-image' idea. When actress Belinda McClory auditioned for the role, she was going for only half the role - Switch's Matrix form.

Amazing, they actually thought of one of the most obvious twists they could've implemented in this kind of setting. So why didn't they actually do it?

Warner Brothers made the decision to cut this and give Switch one form for both environments.

IT WAS THE CIS HETS!

Switch's presentation is deliberately androgynous to pay homage to their original concept.

Aww, so it got a happy end after all :3

Lilly Wachowski would later say that The Matrix contains a "trans metaphor" by the name of "Switch". Switch highlighted "where [their] headspaces were" when it came to the idea of The Matrix, but from a "closeted point of view."

It's not actually a metaphor if it was cut out of the movie.
And what does this headspace stuff say about me and my fanfics? This is like Rowling-levels of taking credit for shit that never happened.

[Kugelfisch]

Dunno which Frog you mean, but it's pretty much cyberpunk meets Gnosticism (aka the idea the the real world that we can perceive isn't actually the real one, and we're all being mislead by some cosmic prankster).

That's the dumbest interpretation of Gnosticism I've ever heard.

[Guest]

That's the dumbest interpretation of Gnosticism I've ever heard.

Eggsplain eggnogsticism to me so I don't have to read Wiggipedia.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

"Reality isn't actually reality, but a fake one created by the God from the Bible, who isn't actually God, but some bloke called 'The Demiurge' who started this whole charade so we can't perceive the actual God who is like the entirety of the actual reality".

Is this better? I'm trying, but Gnosticism is dumb and overly philosophical in general. I'd rather stick with The Butterfly Dream, thank you very much, or the interpretation from the Warhammer-inspired Shadow of the Demon Lord ("Our titular Demon Lord aka Not-Chaos-God is the One True God, and he wants to wreck all of space-time because that wasn't how existence used to be back in his day, dammit.").

[Guest]

"The world wasn't quite ready." How fucking convenient! Wasn't The Matrix based on some French philosopher's book who ended up trashing the movie because the Wachowski troons completely misinterpreted his ideas?

Dunno which Frog you mean, but it's pretty much cyberpunk meets Gnosticism (aka the idea the the real world that we can perceive isn't actually the real one, and we're all being mislead by some cosmic prankster).

Jean Baudrillard, author of Simulacra & Simulations, whose book was even featured on The Matrix. His book barely has anything to do with living in a "fake reality" and more to do with the use of symbols in society.
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/24/opin ... atrix.html

[Kugelfisch]

Is this better?

Barely. It arose from a few legitimate questions. Why does suffering exist? Where do we go when we die? Why does a perfect and eternal being need to create anything? Why is the old Testament such an asshole?

The thought is that our eternal souls are parts of "God". Which is the eternal whole, the one that is, without past or future.

The old Testament God is an imperfect and cruel fucker that actually created the world, which is why things suck. God sacrificed part of himself in the form of Jesus, to pay off our blood debt of sin to the guy, so we may be freed from him and return to God and become part of the eternal everything again.

Specifics vary, depending on what philosopher you agree with.
Saying that IRL is an illusion or not the real world is just wrong, though. It's just not the realm where salvation is possible.

Gnosticism is the actual root of Christianity, before the stupified version for the masses with the Trinity bullshit perpetuated by the Roman Catholic Church took over entirely and became the whole story instead of just the shallow stuff you tell the plebs.

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

Why is the old Testament such an asshole?

Gods just like being dicks. It's just harder to justify if your religion pulls the classic monotheism blunder.