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Post by wulfenlord » Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:25 am

Funny you say that he kills for Khorne, the moment Moorcock started talking about his pantheon of Chaos (and of Order to balance it out) made it painfully obvious who at Games Workshop stole got inspired by reading his books.

Moorcock is a fucking Pulp magician, to get you invested in the story, even though it's obvious you are following a Mary Sue tragic anti-hero that dies at the end, Even when Elric is stripped of his Demonsword or his own health-preserving drugs wear off (because he is a weakling from an incestuous bloodline, in typical british fashion), come the next threat he will just summon one of the dozen rchdemons his family has a pact with. Normally I would scoff at this cheap prose, but Moorcock makes it work by having a fantastic setting that's enjoyable for the reader.
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Post by rabidtictac » Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:44 am

wulfenlord wrote:
Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:25 am
Funny you say that he kills for Khorne, the moment Moorcock started talking about his pantheon of Chaos (and of Order to balance it out) made it painfully obvious who at Games Workshop stole got inspired by reading his books.

Moorcock is a fucking Pulp magician, to get you invested in the story, even though it's obvious you are following a Mary Sue tragic anti-hero that dies at the end, Even when Elric is stripped of his Demonsword or his own health-preserving drugs wear off (because he is a weakling from an incestuous bloodline, in typical british fashion), come the next threat he will just summon one of the dozen rchdemons his family has a pact with. Normally I would scoff at this cheap prose, but Moorcock makes it work by having a fantastic setting that's enjoyable for the reader.
That and I think the characters are genuinely three-dimensional. Theleb K'aarna, for example. He's your typical "evil sorceror." Except he's not. He's in love with a woman who doesn't love him back. Even though he can destroy her a thousand times over, he's helpless to her whims. She loses interest in K'aarna and moves on to Elric as her new favorite plaything, which prompts him to engage in his own schemes against the two of them. Who knows what would have happened if Elric hadn't taken her fancy? Maybe K'aarna would have decided it was more profitable to let Elric leave in peace.

Elric's traveling companions tend to be multifaceted individuals from all rungs of society. Either they have some singularity of purpose or they see worth in Elric. But they tend to be rather inglorious or cynical folks, like the mercenary Moonglum. That, or they've just had the worst day of their lives and lost everything. They cling to Elric like a starving man to a floating plank, in hopes he'll take them to some reversal of fortune. Elric is almost like a genie, the way he grants wishes that typically backfire on those who hire him. :lol:

You're dead right about games workshop stealing the lords of chaos from Moorcock. Arioch embodies aspects of Khorne, Slaanesh, Nurgle and Tzeentch. Tzeentch, in that he's rarely the same form twice. Khorne in his lust for blood and souls. Nurge, well he frequently takes revolting, rotting, festering aspects, as do his subjects. And Melnibone follows the exquisite, rapturous tortures synonymous with Slaanesh. Arioch is the most interesting character of the Elric stories, in my opinion. Since he's Elric's personal god, he connects the great with the small. He bridges the gap between the reader, Elric and a larger battle of the gods. And he acts as Elric's Lucifer, tormenting him with the knowledge of what he's done and hinting at greater horrors he'll be forced to. He is both the Vergil guide to Dante's Inferno, and the looming pit of Hell itself.
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Mon Aug 07, 2023 8:49 am

You don't even have to compare the actual gods to see that GW borrowed a few things. Remember the Star of Chaos, aka the symbol of Chaos Undivided?
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Now take a wild guess which fantasy author came up with a star made up of eight arrows that symbolizes the forces of Chaos?
Then again the punk scene apparently also borrowed that symbol, so who knows from where GW copied it first.
wulfenlord wrote:
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Moorcock is a fucking Pulp magician, to get you invested in the story, even though it's obvious you are following a Mary Sue tragic anti-hero that dies at the end
It's even better. He dies at the end after killing or at least dooming everyone else. How tragic.
Though he's not a Gary Stu because at the end the sword tells him he has always been the virgin to its chad.

I also wonder how popular Morcook's work has been in Japan. Elric is basically the first reincarnation-type isekai hero, what with him being an iteration of Morcook's "Eternal Champion" (aka Morcook's Kirito if Kirito bothered with RP servers and played games where the avatar choices aren't limited to "Literally Me" and "Literally Me As A Waifu").
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Post by Le Redditeur » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:24 pm

I almost made the mistake to go after the Hyperion Centos books. Turns out the story ends up, according to Wikipedia, with a guy cucking himself through a time loop with a sixteen-conveniently-turned-twenty-one-through-time-travel-nonsebar half-human half-cyborg cunt. Dodged a fucking bullet.

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Post by ebin namefag » Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:39 pm

Books are stupid.
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Post by RAPEMAN » Wed Aug 23, 2023 6:29 pm

Reading should have died when they invented TV.
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Post by RedLine » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:37 am

I don't even read DHI. My sexy Thai girlfriend just dictates the posts to me.

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Post by ebin namefag » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:46 am

RedLine wrote:
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I don't even read DHI. My sexy Thai girlfriend just dictates the posts to me.
I bet your Thai "girl""friend" dics you all the time.
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Post by VoiceOfReasonPast » Fri Aug 25, 2023 5:40 am

Thai girlfriends are girlfriends, shitlord.
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Post by Rushy » Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:41 am

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