Weebshit Thread

[rabidtictac]

I wish more mech shows would integrate conventional armor into their show better. UC Gundam does a pretty decent job as well, although it gets more unrealistic the later you go. Once you hit Zeta Gundam, the show starts to feel like a real robot show with pilots who happen to be using super robots.

But in 0079, 08th and War in the Pocket, mobile suits are shown used as a kind of high-mobility tank. Conventional tanks and planes show up a lot in UC 0079. Garma Zabi even tries to take on White Base in a stupid fighter jet.

It seems to me that a mech squadron, if such a thing existed, would have to be some kind of heavy-duty recon or fast assault armored unit. Something suited to combat in jungles, carving footholds into mountains or standing waist-deep in a lake for a night strike. I don't think real-world mechs will ever catch on though, because tanks make more sense. Mechs have too large a profile (too tall) for a land assault unit. Even if someone could make a viable combat mech, they could probably use the same technology to make a better, cheaper tank.

[Kugelfisch]

Even tanks are getting abandoned. Warfare goes more and more into fighting guerilla militia rather than standing armies. In tactical value, remote warfare with drones that acquire targets and missiles that strike them already stand above planes, choppers and tanks.
Tanks are still valuable for the ground troops to hold conquered ground, though. I don't see mechs ever being a thing. They are just as unnecessary as tanks in conquest and a liability in holding something. Especially since armouring them would be a chore. A Javelin would fuck any currently possible mech up.

[ban]

Unless they acuire a super bullshit animu mcguffin metal, mechas will probably never even become a reality. But it's fun to imagine.

I wish more mech shows would integrate conventional armor into their show better. UC Gundam does a pretty decent job as well, although it gets more unrealistic the later you go. Once you hit Zeta Gundam, the show starts to feel like a real robot show with pilots who happen to be using super robots.

That's because that's what it is, Tomino loves to do that. Once you start seeing non-Tomino shit in the UC you realise how actual people use those things, It's why the Shiro vs Norris is so good, Norris goes around essentially destroying oversized tanks that can fuck up a battalion.

The only logical application a mecha could ever have is probably the one shown in Votoms, as disposable, bipedal tanks on rollers that are more useful than tanks due to their ability to change equipment with their hands on the fly instead of having five people inside it and you end up sacrifice less people each time one blows up.

[rabidtictac]

Unless they acuire a super bullshit animu mcguffin metal, mechas will probably never even become a reality. But it's fun to imagine.

I wish more mech shows would integrate conventional armor into their show better. UC Gundam does a pretty decent job as well, although it gets more unrealistic the later you go. Once you hit Zeta Gundam, the show starts to feel like a real robot show with pilots who happen to be using super robots.

That's because that's what it is, Tomino loves to do that. Once you start seeing non-Tomino shit in the UC you realise how actual people use those things, It's why the Shiro vs Norris is so good, Norris goes around essentially destroying oversized tanks that can fuck up a battalion.

The only logical application a mecha could ever have is probably the one shown in Votoms, as disposable, bipedal tanks on rollers that are more useful than tanks due to their ability to change equipment with their hands on the fly instead of having five people inside it and you end up sacrifice less people each time one blows up.

Votoms mechs are practically power armor, and I agree that IS the best application. You're essentially taking an infantry unit and up-armoring them, giving them better firepower and letting a single grunt go up against conventional armor. That IS a good idea, because the Votoms mechs probably aren't super expensive to make, they move really fast and your elite forces infantry troops already cost millions to train. So you might as well get the most of their skills.

Considering the comparison is now between a votoms trooper and an infantry trooper with a bazooka or launcher, the votoms unit is superior. It moves faster, hits harder and contains the same valuable cargo (which is now better-protected.) It has a higher profile which is bad, but at least it moves really fast with those rollers.

Norris vs Shiro is still the best combat scene in all of UC Gundam, imo. Norris actually won tbh. Shiro thought he was fighting in some kind of Tomino-esque character action anime. Norris was fighting a war. He was given the task of taking out the real threats: artillery units. He was supposed to protect the retreat and that's what he did. The guntank mass production type was an extremely important mobile suit for the federation in the one year war. Mobile artillery with that kind of flexibility, armor and low crew requirements is nuts.

If you watch the scene, Norris barely even fights the gundams/GMs except to move them out of his way so he can destroy the guntanks. He dies because his goal was not to survive, but to accomplish his mission. He was a soldier, not a tomino action hero.

[rabidtictac]

Even tanks are getting abandoned. Warfare goes more and more into fighting guerilla militia rather than standing armies. In tactical value, remote warfare with drones that acquire targets and missiles that strike them already stand above planes, choppers and tanks.
Tanks are still valuable for the ground troops to hold conquered ground, though. I don't see mechs ever being a thing. They are just as unnecessary as tanks in conquest and a liability in holding something. Especially since armouring them would be a chore. A Javelin would fuck any currently possible mech up.

I'm sure that's true, but tanks will always have value so long as their armor is able to repel man-portable weaponry. Soldiers have many times spoken about the morale advantage in seeing a big, loud piece of armor roll up on your side and send the enemy scattering. Muhammad Al-Jabir with his Ak-ShittySeven doesn't have a hope in hell against a tank and he knows it.

We can replace a lot of conventional military with drones, but someone still has to hold the territory, like you said.

[ban]

I think they even say that the Votoms are completely disposable in-universe, they are basically a loadout for seasoned soldier, same thing you'd do to war : you wouldn't give a rookie a bazooka, a rocket launcher and good machinegun, you'd give them an G3 and send them to the frontlines to get slaughtered so the seasoned guys can survive and win the war.

Norris winning is indisputable, even Shiro realises it. The whole thing about the fight isn't so much Shiro being an action hero, it's about him being a young soldier that for the first time in his life in real deep shit and his armour padding can't save him. The entire sequence of him rebooting his Gundam is him finally kicking himself long enough to not be paralyzed in fear. That's why when he kills Norris and eliminates the object that causes him immense fear aka the actual veteran war hero capable of murdering him and his entire squad with a machine that has gimped equipment(no heat saber and no laser either) that comes to realise "oh shit, where dat Guntank at?" when at the start of the battle he did some John McLane-ing to protect the Guntanks. It's also why these two are among my top favourites in the whole U.C., one is just a guy that's drafted and has to grow throughout a war and gets the best possible outcome for not being a super-powered psychic super hero(losing his leg, prior to getting declared KIA he was hunted down to be executed) while the other is a career soldier that fights the war, even if he doesn't completely agree with the Zabis.

It's also notable to remember that in Tomino's gundams, every one is black and white. EVERYONE! The federation are a bunch of assholes from Earth that basically flip the finger to those who oppose them and tell they don't get any more support money because they are niggers, while the Spacenoids are basically fucktards from South Carolina that go full Fourth Reich when the Federation doesn't play along with their dreams of being Space Hitler with an Imperialistic Japan background. Its when other people started writting for the U.C. that things became better and both sides became grey.

Shit, the only guys that were remotely grey in OG Gundam were Ral and Char and Char went full retard by Char's Counterattack.

[rabidtictac]

Ramba Ral is the Norris of 0079. I wish he had more screen time before his death. We know he's a competent commander, but like with the Black Tri-Stars, we never get to see their history of successful actions which would establish them as true aces rather than jobbers. So when they job to White Base so hard, it makes them seem silly.

Garma was kind of morally grey as well. He was an arrogant dick, but also a very naive young boy and Char completely fucked him over in the name of his revenge. Garma clearly idolized Char. He may even have been gay for him (I get that vibe.) Char knew all of this and he used Garma callously to get revenge. Garma wasn't a bad person at all. He was just a spoiled rich kid fresh out of military academy.

[ban]

Thankfully his role is expanded a bit in The Origin, which is basically "us old timers get together to say the story we actually wanted instead of the one the Yakuza president of Bandai forced us to cut in half and hastily tell to sell action figures".

Garma was possibly the only innocent dude in the Zabi family tbh, he seemed exactly like the sheltered, spoiled rich brat with his girlfriend being the wife of his teen dreams and Char was the big brother he never had because his big brother where either Space Hitler, Space Stalin or dead because his older sister killed them for not allowing her to fleece cats and dissect frogs with her thumbs, while drinking blood from a bird's skull. He was collateral damage but so was Char for Degwin Zabi when old Zeon was poisoned totally kicked the bucket of really normal circumstances.

[Bobito]

In Uc an some other universes ms are a thing because of the existence of minosky particles, that’s the explanation of why they just don’t send missiles to get rid of ms from a safe distance specially considering the height of those things. Well that and the nuke agreement.

[ban]

That's for the laser weapons and other functions, like in 00's weird particles that help you become a communist psychic super soldier. Gundams exist because of the various magical mcguffin alloys that human cobble up and think it's rad to make 20 meter monstrocities than to make tanks out of it. UC has some lunar alloy, Wing has the Gundanium alloy which is the most anime of them all and 00 had some weird jupiter metal or something.