Nasty Cockslut aka Uncle Linky

[VoiceOfReasonPast]

At least you guys didn't fall into the Sanic Furry OC Autist Zone (tm) like so many before you.

(At least as far as we know...)

[mad bum]

I remember we did the sanic game where you type your first name then the hedgehog in Google and post the first image result. Was pretty fun.

[TheProgressive]

Pfft, I read the far superior British comic. Did the Archie series feature the genius that was the Super Marxio Brothers? I think not.

Seriously the Fleetway Sonic the Comic was total rubbish but I loved that stuff as a kid.

[Kama]

At least you guys didn't fall into the Sanic Furry OC Autist Zone (tm) like so many before you.

(At least as far as we know...)

Yeah that shit was always too retarded for me.

Pfft, I read the far superior British comic. Did the Archie series feature the genius that was the Super Marxio Brothers? I think not.

Seriously the Fleetway Sonic the Comic was total rubbish but I loved that stuff as a kid.

It should have had the Super Marxio Brothers. Instead we got Titan Tails

https://i.imgur.com/gdOFLNW.jpg

[Poonoo]

(He insists Gaiman's Sandman is a superhero. While I like the series, I strongly disagree)

He's even more retarded than I thought. Sandman is more of a god like figure who sticks to his rules by the damn book and dishes out punishments in a sometimes very cruel way. He is not heroic in the slightest, he seems to flat out hate people.

[Charlar]

At least you guys didn't fall into the Sanic Furry OC Autist Zone (tm) like so many before you.

(At least as far as we know...)

Yeah that shit was always too retarded for me.

Pfft, I read the far superior British comic. Did the Archie series feature the genius that was the Super Marxio Brothers? I think not.

Seriously the Fleetway Sonic the Comic was total rubbish but I loved that stuff as a kid.

It should have had the Super Marxio Brothers. Instead we got Titan Tails

https://i.imgur.com/gdOFLNW.jpg

What would be the absolute low point of both Fleetway and Archie Sonic? I mean in-universe

[Just Some Random Guy]

What would be the absolute low point of both Fleetway and Archie Sonic? I mean in-universe

In-universe, as in when things were the worst for the heroes? Not counting the occasional existential threat to the whole planet or temporary losses, probably issues #25-50. The series had the same premise as the TV series, with Robotnik as overlord of the majority of the world and having enslaved a ton of beings. And the heroes were limited to being little more than a guerrilla group in their attempts to fight back. I put the starting point at issue #25 because the series originally, despite having that premise, was comedy-based and didn't really present Robotnik as that much of a threat (though #25 is picked more for evenness rather than having anything in particular to distinguish itself).

Then Robotnik died in #50, freeing the world from his rule and putting an end to all that. And while an alternate reality version of himself later popped up to reclaim his empire, he never again had the same level of complete control over the world. So it's really the beginning part of the series that was the lowest point, as everything since then was an improvement in-universe.

Though I suppose you could still count his return as the low point, because of the way it suddenly restored the previous status quo when previously everyone had confidence that they no longer had to worry about Robotnik's empire again, and it was also when the new Robotnik was at his most powerful (he gradually lost control as the series continued, ultimately reducing his status to that of an aggressive warlord).

[Charlar]

What would be the absolute low point of both Fleetway and Archie Sonic? I mean in-universe

In-universe, as in when things were the worst for the heroes? Not counting the occasional existential threat to the whole planet or temporary losses, probably issues #25-50. The series had the same premise as the TV series, with Robotnik as overlord of the majority of the world and having enslaved a ton of beings. And the heroes were limited to being little more than a guerrilla group in their attempts to fight back. I put the starting point at issue #25 because the series originally, despite having that premise, was comedy-based and didn't really present Robotnik as that much of a threat (though #25 is picked more for evenness rather than having anything in particular to distinguish itself).

Then Robotnik died in #50, freeing the world from his rule and putting an end to all that. And while an alternate reality version of himself later popped up to reclaim his empire, he never again had the same level of complete control over the world. So it's really the beginning part of the series that was the lowest point, as everything since then was an improvement in-universe.

Though I suppose you could still count his return as the low point, because of the way it suddenly restored the previous status quo when previously everyone had confidence that they no longer had to worry about Robotnik's empire again, and it was also when the new Robotnik was at his most powerful (he gradually lost control as the series continued, ultimately reducing his status to that of an aggressive warlord).

Ah okay, thanks. When was the point where the writing was at it's suckiest?

[drisko]

(He insists Gaiman's Sandman is a superhero. While I like the series, I strongly disagree)

He's even more retarded than I thought. Sandman is more of a god like figure who sticks to his rules by the damn book and dishes out punishments in a sometimes very cruel way. He is not heroic in the slightest, he seems to flat out hate people.

Yeah I never got it either. Lewis always whines that anti-heroes shouldn't exist, except when they're likeable and he'll bring up Deadpool or Secret Six as examples. Except most anti-heroes I've read are likeable in some way, the reason I think Preacher and Transmetropolitan are way better than The Boys is because I actually like Jesse Custer and Spider Jerusalem.

When I think of Morpheus, however, I struggle to think of what 'likeable' qualities he has that Lewis would find endearing. With Deadpool and Secret Six, they're mercenaries with codes of honour who are content to forgo a pay cheque in order to help people out. And they have some entertaining moments. Morpheus, on the other hand, sentenced a woman to ten thousand years of torture in hell for rejecting him, left his son as an immortal disembodied head for millennia simply for disobeying him, and made a man insane just to win a bet with Desire.

Now don't get me wrong, I still love the book, but Morpheus is a dick.

[Just Some Random Guy]

Ah okay, thanks. When was the point where the writing was at it's suckiest?

Well, there was a pretty bad stretch that ended after #159 because a new person was put in charge of writing the comic at #160 (Ken Penders was fired and replaced as head writer by Ian Flynn, who would remain head writer until the series' cancellation). The tricky part is trying to define when that bad stretch started. I suppose some people would say it was #135 because that's when Ken Penders became the main head writer (before, writing duties were largely split between him and a guy named Karl Bollers), but that's not really fair to Penders, as there was some equally dumb stuff that happened when Karl Bollers was around that had nothing to do with Penders. Heck, some of the questionable decisions that Ken Penders made after Bollers left can't be entirely stated as his fault, as he was just working with what Bollers had given him. For example, Penders wrote a story that revealed that Antoine had been replaced by an evil alternate universe version of himself for the last two years (out of comic time). Was that really silly? Sure. But Bollers was the one who decided to make Antoine into a darker character for some unfathomable reason, and Penders had to deal with that somehow, and I'm not sure his way was actually any worse than what Bollers had planned (it was a pretext for Antoine turning into a bad guy).

There isn't any definite point I can point to as when things started getting really stupid, but I'd say the bad stretch definitely didn't start any later than #124/125, which was when they decided to reveal that Mobius was actually Earth--well, an alternate Earth--in the future, and the explanation for how it got to the current situation was not only nonsensical, but was actually totally unnecessary to the story when you got down to it (the whole point of it was that it related to why some aliens were attacking the planet, but you could've just as easily given them another reason). But as dumb as that was, it didn't have that big an impact on the story, which was of course part of the reason it was unnecessary. But it seems that someone had the bright idea that Sonic should get transported to the other side of the galaxy (and presumed dead back home), and that the story of him trying to get back home was somehow worth 4 full issues, one of which just involved him crash landing onto a planet and hanging out in the escape pod while a civilization evolved at super-speed around him that then give him a ship to let him leave. That was the full plot of the issue.